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	<description>David Cairns' wilfully eccentric film blog</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dcairns</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>dcairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, mine are just pretty pictures! Go for it!</description>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may be 87 but the guy has much more life than Chris Cooper! The organisers had to stop him from a diatribe in reply to an question from the audience because we were over the 9pm deadline (they had another screening set for that time).

Written half a blog so far but it's ending up around the length of yours, heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may be 87 but the guy has much more life than Chris Cooper! The organisers had to stop him from a diatribe in reply to an question from the audience because we were over the 9pm deadline (they had another screening set for that time).</p>
<p>Written half a blog so far but it&#8217;s ending up around the length of yours, heh.</p>
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		<title>By: dcairns</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>dcairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, he's OLD.

Blog it! Blog it while it's fresh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, he&#8217;s OLD.</p>
<p>Blog it! Blog it while it&#8217;s fresh!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris B</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone say Jancsó? 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/dovzhenko/mejancso-smaller.jpg

Will attempt a blog entry at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone say Jancsó? </p>
<p><a href="http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/dovzhenko/mejancso-smaller.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/dovzhenko/mejancso-smaller.jpg</a></p>
<p>Will attempt a blog entry at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: dcairns</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>dcairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D'oh! Will clear up the Zach confusion!

I guess Chabrol's moves fall into a version of the authorial move, but it's not just to tell the story but to add emphasis to the emotion of a scene -- I might have to expand my definition of Motivation 4.

It's possible for a filmmaker to confine themself, on the surface, purely to Motivation 1 and still achieve beauty and mystery -- Keaton does this, and arguably 90% of Kubrick is just following the subject around. But in some cases the surface motivation may just be a pretext for something else. You could digitally remove the actors from &lt;em&gt;The Shining &lt;/em&gt;and much of the film's value would remain -- and you would have the opening of &lt;em&gt;Marienbad&lt;/em&gt;.

I play the "spot the motivation" game with students, and one that really stretches it to breaking point is the start of &lt;em&gt;Last Tango&lt;/em&gt;, where some of the movement may be sheer &lt;em&gt;joie de vivre&lt;/em&gt;, and most of it is in a state of constant morphosis between motivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! Will clear up the Zach confusion!</p>
<p>I guess Chabrol&#8217;s moves fall into a version of the authorial move, but it&#8217;s not just to tell the story but to add emphasis to the emotion of a scene &#8212; I might have to expand my definition of Motivation 4.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible for a filmmaker to confine themself, on the surface, purely to Motivation 1 and still achieve beauty and mystery &#8212; Keaton does this, and arguably 90% of Kubrick is just following the subject around. But in some cases the surface motivation may just be a pretext for something else. You could digitally remove the actors from <em>The Shining </em>and much of the film&#8217;s value would remain &#8212; and you would have the opening of <em>Marienbad</em>.</p>
<p>I play the &#8220;spot the motivation&#8221; game with students, and one that really stretches it to breaking point is the start of <em>Last Tango</em>, where some of the movement may be sheer <em>joie de vivre</em>, and most of it is in a state of constant morphosis between motivations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sallitt</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Sallitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice breakdown, David.  I'm happy that you acknowledge all those grey areas between camera motivations - that's where the art happens, I think.  If it were easy, everyone would do it!

I've been thinking about Chabrol lately, and noticing that he sometimes moves the camera without obvious motivation except to impart a sense of moment to the moment.  It's as if the world is so weird that there just has to be something scary at the other end of the dolly tracks.

By the way, the &lt;b&gt;Daisy&lt;/b&gt; writer is &lt;a href="http://elusivelucidity.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Zach Campbell&lt;/a&gt;, not Zach Gallagher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice breakdown, David.  I&#8217;m happy that you acknowledge all those grey areas between camera motivations - that&#8217;s where the art happens, I think.  If it were easy, everyone would do it!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about Chabrol lately, and noticing that he sometimes moves the camera without obvious motivation except to impart a sense of moment to the moment.  It&#8217;s as if the world is so weird that there just has to be something scary at the other end of the dolly tracks.</p>
<p>By the way, the <b>Daisy</b> writer is <a href="http://elusivelucidity.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Zach Campbell</a>, not Zach Gallagher.</p>
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		<title>By: dcairns</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1780</link>
		<dc:creator>dcairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like this COULD be stereotyped as Motivation 3, the exploring of space, though things are never as simple as that.

From what I've seen of Jansco there's a real flux between following action and exploring space, and probably a bunch of other stuff. Once I've had my mind blown by The Round-Up this week (with Jansco interviewed afterwards) I'll have more to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like this COULD be stereotyped as Motivation 3, the exploring of space, though things are never as simple as that.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen of Jansco there&#8217;s a real flux between following action and exploring space, and probably a bunch of other stuff. Once I&#8217;ve had my mind blown by The Round-Up this week (with Jansco interviewed afterwards) I&#8217;ll have more to say.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1777</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Jansco he wields the camera like a carving knife -- the better to create space where you'd least expect to find it. Sometimes this takes the form of a pure act of specail reintegration as in &lt;i&gt;La Region Centrale&lt;/i&gt;. Other times its part of a comentary on the world in which he lives -- the academic/art universe. He regards it with a mixture of wariness and mirth that's utterly original. 

Running alongside it is his use of sound &lt;i&gt;Rameau's Nephew by Diderot (Thanx to Denis Young) by Wilma Schoen&lt;/i&gt; is entirely about image/sound dialectics. At its beating heart is Billy Strayhorn's "Daydream" which is given numerous interpretations along the course of the film's 5-hour running time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Jansco he wields the camera like a carving knife &#8212; the better to create space where you&#8217;d least expect to find it. Sometimes this takes the form of a pure act of specail reintegration as in <i>La Region Centrale</i>. Other times its part of a comentary on the world in which he lives &#8212; the academic/art universe. He regards it with a mixture of wariness and mirth that&#8217;s utterly original. </p>
<p>Running alongside it is his use of sound <i>Rameau&#8217;s Nephew by Diderot (Thanx to Denis Young) by Wilma Schoen</i> is entirely about image/sound dialectics. At its beating heart is Billy Strayhorn&#8217;s &#8220;Daydream&#8221; which is given numerous interpretations along the course of the film&#8217;s 5-hour running time.</p>
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		<title>By: dcairns</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1776</link>
		<dc:creator>dcairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not expert enough here to discuss Snow's use of camera movement and its relation to narrative in his films, not having seen more than a few fragments so far. How would you characterise it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not expert enough here to discuss Snow&#8217;s use of camera movement and its relation to narrative in his films, not having seen more than a few fragments so far. How would you characterise it?</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://dcairns.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/fallen-on-her-feet/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there is a narrative in &lt;i&gt;Wavelength&lt;/i&gt; and a whole mess-o-narratives in &lt;i&gt;Rameau's Nephew by Diderot (Thanx to Denis Young) by Wilma Schoen&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there is a narrative in <i>Wavelength</i> and a whole mess-o-narratives in <i>Rameau&#8217;s Nephew by Diderot (Thanx to Denis Young) by Wilma Schoen</i></p>
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